There's the moment when a raging President berates his senior military leaders, calling them losers, another where he appears not to know what happened at Pearl Harbor and many instances of erratic decision-making, driven by the whims of a president with little patience for the details of public policy. He was in an interview, a job interview, with one of his secretary of state candidates. DAVIES: Now, you know, you have direct quotes here, pretty extraordinary quotes, and there's no recording or transcript. "We both wanted to just hit the pause button and say: 'How do we make sense of this administration and this unprecedented presidency, for ourselves and for readers?' Many are waiting for Mattis to say something, but his head is kind of bowed, and it's almost like he's just taking it, taking it on the chin. But I want you to begin by just telling us - because I find this also interesting - who set up the briefing, why they wanted to do it and how they structured it to get the president and keep the president's attention. What are they going to do about it?" Philip Rucker is the paper's White House bureau chief. Did he intend to mislead and misinform and, in effect, lie? Your purchase helps support NPR programming. "It's been such an exhausting three years, I think, for all of us — for all Americans," said Post White House bureau chief, Philip Rucker, in an interview with NPR's All Things Considered on Friday. I'm Dave Davies in for Terry Gross, who's off this week. Sometimes you can be mistaken. And in the book, you have a quote attributed to - I guess it's a senior-level administration official saying, the guy is completely crazy; the story of Trump, a president with the horrible instincts and a senior-level cabinet playing whack-a-mole. Read this book using Google Play Books app on your PC, android, iOS devices. DAVIES: Yeah, I've often wondered if reporters who have personal experiences with the president, when they are in rallies and the president is, you know, berating the fake news media, that you wish some of those hearing this and cheering could actually see him interacting with reporters at a personal level. They were, one, afraid of Donald Trump and his ability to retaliate against them, as he's proven very adept at with his very large Twitter megaphone. He wants to be taken seriously, like a credible figure. She is a three-time winner of the George Polk award for investigative reporting. We want to support you, and we need your help, too, because if you can help us stop the illegal flow of immigration, we can try to help you do that. And they head off. LEONNIG: You know, there is this moment when Putin says to President Trump, you know, we could have a great relationship, but the people, the little people below us, they're against it. We thought that it was important to sort of take that mirror and turn it back to him and find out: What were those folks serving him? You guys have been confused about this in the past. john reeder and carol leonnig. DAVIES: The other thing that I found interesting about this anecdote is that when these officials - you know, Defense Secretary Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Gary Cohn - were planning this, they took a lot of care to craft a presentation which they thought would capture and hold the president's attention. He says, you know, you people in the press, you need to make sure you get this right. And they wanted to help him. Yeah, there's this big fight about the border, but we want to be partners and allies. Carol Leonnig: In July 2017, a group of very, very senior Cabinet members and advisers decided: We need to give a tutorial, in effect, to Donald Trump. And I think that one of the important things about the anonymous sources here that you have to keep in mind is that some of these people did not speak to us in real time when these events were unfolding for a couple of reasons. He is saying, you know, we need to make money off this. And I'm wondering, what is it like to cover a public official? They'd been having a lot of arguments with him, disagreements about where troops and bases were, trade policy, et cetera. In fact, Rex Tillerson was trying to school the president gently, not in a patronizing way, but gently school him about here's what Putin is doing every morning when he wakes up; he's looking for where we've got a hole, and he's going to dash over there, and we won't be fast enough to take advantage of it and stop him. And that was to help him in his reelection and get some dirt on his then-No. And they went through a slideshow explaining, you know, where our troops are deployed, why we have the alliances we do, what does NATO do, why do we have so many troops in South Korea in the Korean Peninsula to fend off the threat of North Korea.
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