People use guns EXACTLY because they kill the attacker. "Radically Invasive Projectile" in 9mm. You pull to KILL plain and simple. actually exceeded the manufacturer’s rating. I recently got into making gun videos on YouTube and I have made a couple testing this G2 RIP ammo. I have on there. Based on the obvious bias from author of that review, who bashed it before he even had any, I don’t give it merit. 0:25. Oh, you will go to jail, and the family might try to sue, but dead men don’t talk. DRT makes an excellent frangible round that does the same damage but here is a thought the price tag is almost identical. It’s going to work also (better actually) in 4-5 inch barreled gun. To put that in perspective — when we calibrate ballistic gel we do so by firing a BB from a BB gun into it. Deer and pigs are much better proxies. JRthe3. ammo through conventional ballistic testing to see how the round performs in a flesh simulant (ballistic gelatin). If put in a situation where you have to shoot someone to defend your life or your family’s life you are not going g to be asked did you mean to kill the person. After all when you are pushed in to a situation where you must defend your life it becomes a matter of who is going g to walk a way and who getsplaced in a body bag. Its not a super bullet but it does fragment nicely. I’ve personally had firearms have a failure to feed in the first box I fire, then never see issues again for 100’s of rounds…. A useful follow-up would be to describe how many shots from your .22 it would take to duplicate the damage from an established defense round. So they do what a Critical Defense will, without any plastic pellet insert, but with even better performance. Nextat. Things are different now, though . I see standard Federal HST or Winchester PDX working much better, and for a whole lot less money. Yes, I will admit I probably was. Ranger-T does this by having the unusually thick lips of the copper jacket readily peel open and take the pre-incised core with it. and a tenacious prosecuting attorney. That’s why we don’t all carry some variation of fragmenting rounds already. Even if humans were just balls of flesh with no bones these would be a sub par performer, humans being what they actually are (bones everywhere) these are basically useless unless a belly shot. Someone comes in my home and deadly force will be used to protect my family! If you’ve done everything right, that BB needs to penetrate approximately 8.5 cm +/- 10%. I had a buddy give me some HST rounds to try through the gun. I said all that to say this, I stared out carrying a 4inch .38 and generally feeling under gunned. Will marketing like this help your case? And even if you hit him once or twice, 3 times in some cases many more doesn’t mean they are going to stop or that they won’t shot you after they have hit the ground. ^ exactly. The ones that claim to be the best usually can’t hang with the rest. Check your local laws. Deadly force means deadly force. . He made a choice to wind up deceased when he chose not to turn and run. Just consider making your decisions based on knowledge and results, rather than on over-the-top claims and marketing hype. The penetration, in the absence of the denim layers, is very inadequate. First, any attorney will tell you self defense is just that self defense. Or don’t – and just get a proven JHP. Shop owners/ dealers and consumer can make ammunition purchases here. Wouldn’t you rather see some realistic claims, and some accurate testing? Part II has penetration through 4 layers of denim, through plywood, and through 12 layers of denim. I call shenanigans on this test! Ballistic gel is not a body, and it’s not intended to simulate a body, and 4” of penetration in gel doesn’t mean 4” of penetration in a body. It would be best for writers to just stay away from legal matters and stick to the topic that they are in fact knowledgeable in. it was like a failure to load but almost like a stovepipe with a non spent round. Last thought to enter their mind would be “Thas a purty.”. It’s really a joke round. Your flechettes have fins? After decades and decades of bullet testing and refinement, the #1 one thing that all serious manufacturers agree on when speaking of hunting or self defense ammo is weight retention. If you shoot and kill someone, you have to be able to prove that you did so because you believed your life was in danger. ARX Bullets Reloading Review and Ballistics Test – USA – -(AmmoLand.com)- A couple of years ago ARX introduced some high-performance ammo using some new technology and bullet. it was a wired failure. The problem was with the magazine. I believe my life was in danger, so I acted in self defense. Yeah, I don’t get the point of that comparison either. It also appears they could potentially bring certain ‘litigious vulnerabilities’ and are 5x the cost of a regular good defensive round, with none of these limitations/concerns. You can review the gel block test, including the results and comparison, in this video: For those who’d rather read than watch, here’s the gist: G2’s R.I.P. Under this assumption …yes, lethality would be a determining question of guilt or innocence and can greatly affect the outcome. Ballistic gel is not a body, and it’s not intended to simulate a body, and 4” of penetration in gel doesn’t mean 4” of penetration in a body. (12 Bullets Total) Before spending money on a box of rounds, test them out for yourself! Of course, my “fake” R.I.P. I wish you had a block of gel shot with a HST to compare to the RIP round. ShootingTheBull410, thanks so much for the review, I appreciate the time effort you take with your ammo reviews. You mean thanks to Shooting the Bull 410, I think. Losing pieces of the projectile is considered bullet failure in all of these rounds. With a pistol bullet you want to *keep* your mass, not shed it. Kind of what I expected, thanks. 147 grain HST has very impressive expansion and solid performance otherwise (penetration, feeding etc). I appreciate the information once you started actually started talking about just the facts pertaining to the performance of the RIP ammunition. Cycleair. Once they break off, they lack the mass needed for penetration. If your use of a gun is justified, nobody in the United States will question your choice of Ammo. In Part II of my examination, I conducted three more tests – against four layers of denim, plywood and then 12 layers of denim. One round. I disregard the damage the trocars inflict because they only penetrate to 4″ of ballistic gel. You don’t like the idea of multiple bullet wound paths out-wounding and out-stopping your traditional hollow-point. If he winds up in the obituaries, he ended it too. Well, for me to trust just one round would mean it would need to perform 100% in a variety of situations (something virtually no ammo can do). I bet it’d show the huge difference in damage done by the round. This also works well with the traditionally very flat-nosed bullets you find in the .357 SIG. And boy did that round peel and mushroom and so what it was supposed to. trocars do. Lions run way faster than any perp on two legs. Even with failure to expand the rounds are .45 and simply penetrate 15-17 inches in soft tissue which I find acceptable. I always enjoy the ShootingTheBull videos and checked em before I went to get new carry ammo. “If a prosecutor could prove that you intended and set about to kill an attacker, your claim of self defense might just go out the window.”. In this kit, you will receive, 1 – 10% Ballistics Gelatin FBI Block, 2 – G2 Research 9mm RIP, 2- Speer 9mm 124 gr. Personally feel the company is irresponsible at many levels for producing this round, and for their presentation of it. That’s a poor tradeoff. 20rds 45 Acp G2 Research Rip 162gr Hp Lf Ammo. One morning I was sitting in my cedar tree ground blind when I had five coyotes come up the draw towards me. They’re good, reliable performers, but don’t expand quite as well as God Dots, HSTs, or Ranger-Ts. circumstances were it had only been dirtied up by 50 res (9mm). Pretty close, right? Thanks for the testing, but if a Glock 19 won’t feast on it reliably…it’s going to be a whole lot worse in other firearms. That’s why it’s called “science”, actually; controlled-condition examples that show reliably repeatable results. Nobody cleans or checks their mags when they clean the pistol. Ok listen to this guys… this guy made a “lookalike” ballistic gel using how many .22s? I fired five rounds in this initial test and one of them refused to feed from the magazine. Saying that 3 rounds of one bullet is better than 1 round of another bullet isn’t particularly informative. I mean, maybe a .5sec burst could essentially unstitch whatever part of what it is you’re shooting at, but go too crazy and pesky physics get in the way. Each left a nasty trail. Maybe the old triton quik-shok (similar idea, but lead base and heavier bullet weight) too. It’s like a bird shot hit from a shotgun, terrifying damage to the surface and near surface tissues, insufficient penetration to force a stop. The only time it isn’t a failure is in frangible ammo made to reduce ricochet (primarily for shooting steel targets) or in “exotic” ammo where the boutique manufacturer makes exaggerated marketing claims of various sorts. Rifle Ammunition. 9mm round, we can figure out just how much destructive potential we’re looking at here. It’s something I struggle with in carrying a 1911. Thanks again to ShootingTheBull410 for his testing that removes the hype and presents the facts clearly, without bias or waffling. Don’t worry. Its called reasonable force Walter. remember you only need a bullet to stop a threat not kill them. New 9mm RIP Ammo (G2 Research) Mervarnold. Completely biased from the first paragraph. HST or Ranger-Ts are the current kings of the hill. Well, for me to trust just one round would mean it would need to perform 100% in a variety of situations (something virtually no ammo can do). If a perp breaks into my house, he started it. Guess he better stick with revolvers. You’re basically relying on the tissue damage to convince your attacker to stop and that’s not the best plan. In that case, the solution might be more and faster. While this is a good article, I always enjoy ShootingTheBull410 cause of dat science, I had a big WTF thinking that this was a new different article. Further, I’d be very worried about a self-defense claim in court if I managed to get it to feed to start with. Got a larger pig tonight, nit in shoulder while moving, dropped dead in it’s tracks. It always enters with a big splash, and it always goes away quickly. I must admit I was a little curious about the ‘performance’ of this round. I shoot the 1911 better than any other handgun bar none and at defensive ranges (or in a calm state with deliberate fire to 50 yards) I have absolutely no doubt in my ability to rapidly empty it to slide lock with all rounds impacting the torso. The CCI segmented hollow point splits into three pieces. I am buying some when I can get my hands on them. 4.5 out of 5 stars 48. Further, he spews on some crap about not wanting to “kill and intruder, just stop them” for lawyer’s sake. They are frangible and gives […] So if you fear eminent bodily harm you shot to kill, your not a trained professional that knows how to react under fire. 4.5 out of 5 stars 113. are there other rounds that get the job done, yes. I fired two rounds of each load into the gel. “Just consider making your decisions based on knowledge and results, rather than on over-the-top claims and marketing hype.”. Think about how much real world testing is done in deer and hog hunting — how easy it is to test various bullet designs for efficacy, which would mean instantaneous incapacitation and death with the largest margin for error. Thanks for the work you put into it! Circumstances? I hit a 50lb young sow with a 230 grain hollowpoint. Hydra-Shok and 2 – Winchester 9mm 124 gr. I think you were passed about the marketing and your review is clearly biased by that. G2 RIP Ammo vs Windshield In Front Of Ballistic Gel - YouTube The lack of projectile diameter and mass on the deeply penetrating part undid this round for me. ShootingTheBull410, who is … To me, that’s a lousy tradeoff. otherwise what training do you have that qualifies you with threat assessment. I didn’t expect it to preform as claimed (what products ever do?). This all came about because LE agencies and LE officers ignored Glocks clearly written warnings not to use lead bullets and reloads. We got our hands on some of the G2’s uber ammo, courtesy of the fine people at www.ammotogo.com. Given the packaging and even just the name “RIP” I will not waste that sort of money for “carry” ammo when I can use Zombie Max at a fraction of the cost, and not have to worry about it jamming. I would watch the reloads, same company etc. This isn’t nearly as bad as the old Hydra-shocks would plug, but still happens on rare occasions. It looks like a shuriken or a spider. Amazon's Choice for ballistics gel. Dead men don’t talk, and all you have to do is yell “Get out m************, or I’ll blow your head off”, then do it. Even before this review, I wouldn’t have used the R.I.P. Specifically, I used a couple of shots of CCI Segmented Hollow Point 32-grain varmint rounds to make the initial large damage cavity and the “trocars”. G2 Research's R.I.P. Heck, I’d rather use a regular old FNFMJ 180gr round from my G27 than take chances in court with R.I.P. When a Glock does KB it just blows the mag out the bottom and cracks the frame anyway, they do not have a lethal blast radius or any of that crap. Expanding petals is fine. From a handgun. Can you now? Any kind of internal, solid impact (bone) – however light – is going to send the base off on a different vector. But that said, the only thing it really brings to the table that’s new (a big shallow surface wound) is done at the expense of delivering destruction where you want and need it – by putting the biggest possible bullet deep within the body. round. A few .22LR’s. It does occur to me that since the first part of the testing proves the round a joke, unsatisfactory for self-defense, there is no reason to read further parts of the test. I hope they learn from it and refine the bullet. That has got to be one of the more asinine things I have ever seen. Compare all 380 ACP ammunition manufacturers on one easy to read chart. I’m not going to say that the G2 R.I.P. I chose that round because I figured the G2 R.I.P.’s base would probably be about half its bullet weight (and I was right, it weighs in at 48.4 grains) and so a 60-grain .22LR would probably come close to matching it for penetration, and I was spot on. They use guns BECAUSE they are likely to kill an offender, or if it better suits your delicate constitution, “guns do enough soft tissue damage to an attacker that the blood loss generally renders them incapable of continuing an attack”. San Francisco has tried to ban all HPs–but the Chief of Police, recognizing the invalidity of the statute, has said that it is enforceable only against he original Black Talon. $11.93 $ 11. And even the mainstream press has picked up and run with the story of the new, amazing, superty-duper ammo that is “like no other projectile the world has ever seen.” The company has been making some very bold claims about the performance of this new round. Thanks much to ShootingTheBull410. If a round fails to fire, instead of the stupid time consuming option of clearing the action of a semi-auto, with a revolver, simply pull the trigger again. The laws in my state are very clear and there will be no consequences legally to the defender. So I decided to shoot the last dog coming up the draw. only one person testing it so far. They’ll refer to it derisively as “doing Jell-O shots” or some other pejorative term. Your false assertion about the nature of self defense is not only laughable, it is almost criminally naive. $44.95 $ 44. No thanks. They’re only calling the things “trocars” here since they’re triangular in profile and “because Marketing”. Perhaps G2 is onto something that further refinement will revolutionize things. 99. The whole myth that Glocks are hand grenades is a myth. Just another of the latest gimmick rounds, I’ll stick with Hornady Critical Defense. Not to mention that the damage profile looks basically exactly like that as delivered by Liberty’s Civil Defense handgun ammo. It’s not like some of the other gimmick rounds that woefully underpenetrate. skin,bones,muscle,and fat is not the same as gel. You need to be more concern about your life and your family’s lives than some thug’s life. RIP – Yet another marketing gimmick round. 4.7 out of 5 stars 506. Second, because G2 Research has put their claims of gelatin penetration right on their box. Magic bullet not so magical eh? The effects of pistol bullets on airplanes are drastically exaggerated by Hollywood. Then decide. In reality, it’s not a big deal. It’s sophomoric and amateurish…sounds like something that emanated from between the ears of a certain narcissistic, Napoleonic, non-legally-trained gunrag-writer/seminar giver. Expanded diameter on those can exceed .85″ in soft tissue and at that velocity expansion is reliable while penetration still uniformly exceeds 12 inches. The Critical Defense is alright but if given a choice I would always take the HST, PDX1, Ranger T series, Gold Dot and a few others to it any day. No matter how they “tweak” the design, it’s still going to be a 45 grain, fmj projectile along with some very-low-mass fragments. First 5 rounds in a g19 gives one failure to feed? It may be a good for testing but it is not a human body. $44.95 $ 44. But that’s a two-edged sword, because if bigger is better, then why would you want to use the G2 R.I.P.’s tiny little 48-grain .36” projectile, when you could use a Federal HST instead and get a much-larger, 124-grain, .52” projectile? It would simply be wasted time. More Fun Trivia: Colibri means ‘hummingbird’, which seems appropriate. If someone comes up and smacks you then yes you cannot just shoot someone. As a former officer, I can assure you the only thing that really matters when it comes to self defense is being able to articulate that you were in real fear for your life or the life of another when defending your actions. The last round did not advance before the slide locked so the pistol functioned properly as if the mag was empty. It’s performance that matters. I knew TTAG would give an honest review. I think most of you folks were in the jury, you would be a nightmare to the defendant. 700 .22s, at $0.10 per round comes out to $70. I agree. If the situation is evaluated and proves our claim that the aggressor had intent to kill or inflict mortal harm upon us, we are of course justified in killing them. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with those products (I own and use Clear Ballistics gel frequently), but it’s not what the FBI uses. HST, Gold Dot, Ranger T are my top three JHP. Thanks for the test. If you look at the marketing information released by G2 en toto, it’s obvious that before being fired RIP rounds must first be lubricated with Snake Oil. Provides a much more impactful shockwave which is what will do the damage.Those sort of rounds have been around for decades. If i were to put somebody’s life in danger and they were to shoot me…i would NOT want to be shot by ONE round that does that much damage… even if it doesnt go all the way through you, you are going to have several fragments left inside you, imagine how much worse it would be to be shot by that compared to a lead point or fmj that MOST people carry with them? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Also you completely disreguard the the damage the trocars inflict. I do not understand how shooting 2 different types of bullets into the same block of gel and getting the same result from shooting 1 bullet into a block of gel makes makes for a fair test. But still, it shouldn’t contact the slide lock unless the bullet is wider than normal at the front. You can see the RIP fragmented very early, and left little actual bullet that penetrated, very deep.
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